Group VI

There are four speakers in the group: G11, G12, B8, B9, and a male teacher (T) is also present throughout the discussion. The graded speaker is G11, who is assessed by the S.E.B. as credit level, grade 1. B8 is the chair and G12 is the scribe. The group is discussing The Long and the Short and the Tall, having completed reading Act I. They have been set a series of questions about the characters in the play. The discussion lasts 5 minutes.

Teachers who took part in the study were shown the extract marked in bold typeface (lines 1- 67) in order to assess speaker G12.

1. B8: okay (.) first question is (1) about Sergeant Mitchum

B9:

G11:

G12:

T:

2. B8: who's the leader of the patrol okay= =question is

B9: =okay=

G11:

G12:

T: =right=

3. B8: (1) what do you learn about Mitchum from his handling of

B9:

G11:

G12:

T:

4. B8: the patrol and the situations that arise therein (.) so (.)

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T:

5. B8: Donald (.) the first for you

B9: (.) eh well I think that

G11:

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T:

6. B8:

B9: Mitchum (.) he takes his responsibility seriously (.) eh

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7. B8:

B9: and I think he believes that others eh like MacLiesh (1)

G11:

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8. B8:

B9: should do the same thing you know they should act in the

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9. B8:

B9: same manner (.) eh he controls the patrol quite well (.)

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10. B8:

B9: you know h. he gives Bamforth a good telling off when he

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11. B8:

B9: (.) misbehaves himself and eh (1) I think he handles the

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12. B8: (1) do (.) do you think so (.) because

B9: control quite well

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13. B8: (.) he doesn't (.) Bamforth (.) he doesn't stop Bamforth

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14. B8: from doing it (.) Bamforth still (1) keeps (1) going on

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15. B8: at a lot of other people (.) he doesn't stop him=

B9: =well (1)

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16. B8:

B9: eh I don't think that Mitchum can do anything else except

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17. B8:

B9: (.) reprimand him at this stage (.) because he's out (.)

G11:

G12:

T:

18. B8:

B9: he's in the jungle m. (.) if he was in (.) at base camp

G11:

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19. B8:

B9: it would perhaps be different (.) he could (.) eh arrest

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20. B8: mm yeah but d'you not think he could be a bit stricter

B9: him

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21. B8: because all through (.) the first act (1) eh Bamforth's

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22. B8: got a free hand you know (.) till he gets put in charge

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23. B8: near the end=

B9: =well I don't think that (.) eh Mitchum could

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24. B8:

B9: do anything else in the situation because (1) they've got

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25. B8:

B9: enough to (1) eh deal with with the Japanese (.) I mean

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26. B8:

B9: (.) I think Mitchum's got e. enough on his plate as it is

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27. B8:

B9: without h. having to deal more seriously with Bamforth

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28. B8:

B9:

G11: (3) I think (.) I think Mitchum (.) handled

G12:

T: (.) well Fiona

29. B8:

B9:

G11: it very well (.) because he wasn't (.) really bothered

G12:

T:

30. B8:

B9:

G11: about (1) the Japanese soldier (.) he was more concerned

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T:

31. B8:

B9:

G11: with getting his unit (.) back to headquarters

G12:

T: (.) okay

32. B8:

B9:

G11:

G12: (.) I don't think he was very successful in breaking up

T:

33. B8:

B9: no

G11:

G12: the fights though was he? (.) I mean he really (.) he let

T:

34. B8:

B9:

G11:

G12: (.) you know (.) there was Bamforth sort of the brightest

T:

35. B8:

B9:

G11: =he eventually put

G12: one and he didn't really stop him much=

T:

36. B8:

B9:

G11: Bamforth in his place though (.) he gave him a larger

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37. B8: =mmm (3.5) he seemed to deal with all the

B9: =that's right

G11: lecture =

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38. B8: situations very logically (.) like for instance he wanted

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39. B8: to keep (.) the Japanese soldier for information as the

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40. B8: Japanese were breaking through all over the (2secsXXXX)=

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41. B8: (XXXX)

B9: =that's right

G11: =I think (.) another thing I think (.) he

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42. B8:

B9:

G11: really handled it handled it well because (1) if (1) he

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43. B8:

B9:

G11: had (.) went by the book (.) and hadn't killed the

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44. B8:

B9:

G11: Japanese soldier well he'd be putting the Japanese soldier

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45. B8:

B9:

G11: first and the chances of his men actually getting through

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46. B8:

B9:

G11: (.) wouldn't be so (1.5) great (1) cos they'd probably (1)

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47. B8:

B9:

G11: ehm not manage to get through cos of having to have the

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48. B8:

B9:

G11: hostage with them (.) their chances would be narrowed down

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49. B8: (.) okay

B9:

G11: immensely

G12: (.) I think he kept the m. morale of his

T:

50. B8:

B9:

G11:

G12: men really high when he was saying you know the Japanese

T:

51. B8:

B9:

G11:

G12: are just as scared as you are (.) there might only be a

T:

52. B8:

B9: that's right

G11:

G12: few of them out there (.) running around in circles (.)

T:

53. B8:

B9: I think he (.) eh I think he gives confidence to the

G11:

G12: you know and that's

T:

54. B8:

B9: soldiers (.) you know (.) he (.) he keeps the morale up (.)

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55. B8: (.)

B9: and eh (.) I think he's certainly a very good leader

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56. B8: good (4) w.

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G11: (4) eventually (.) when the so (.) when the soldiers

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57. B8:

B9:

G11: begin to get a bit slack (.) he does give them a talking

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58. B8:

B9:

G11: to (.) and sort of brings them up you know he tells them

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59. B8:

B9:

G11: (.) he doesn't sort of lie to them and say the chances of

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60. B8:

B9:

G11: them getting back are great n everything (.) he just tells

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61. B8:

B9:

G11: them the truth straight away to say that (1) you know if

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62. B8:

B9:

G11: they get through they'll sort of just get th. get through

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63. B8:

B9:

G11: narrowly you know they'll be very lucky to get back alive=

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T:

64. B8: that's right

B9: =he's realistic all through the first act

G11: yes

G12: (5) so we reckon

T:

65. B8: (.) on the

B9: =yeah he is a good leader

G11:

G12: he's a good leader yeah?=

T:

66. B8: whole but he could be a (.) bit stronger when dealing

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67. B8: with the men (5) and ehm (2.5) he's very realistic (2) he

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G11:

G12: could be a bit stronger

T:

68. B8: faces situations logically (3) anyone else got any other

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69. B8: (.) suggestions

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G11: when (.) you know h. (.) when (.) you know how if they

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70. B8:

B9:

G11: shoot a prisoner of war it would go down very heavily

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71. B8:

B9:

G11: on them when they get back to camp (1) he wasn't all that

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72. B8:

B9:

G11: bothered about killing (1) the prisoner because he was

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73. B8:

B9: mmhmm

G11: more concerned about his troops (.) even though it might

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74. B8:

B9:

G11: have gone down on his record (.) he was (.) he never went

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75. B8:

B9:

G11: by the book at that point (.) because he was more

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76. B8:

B9:

G11: concerned about getting his people back

G12:

T: (1) would we agree

77. B8: well

B9:

G11:

G12:

T: with that (1.5) entirely (.) that he was more concerned

78. B8: =he actually wanted to

B9:

G11:

G12:

T: with getting his own troops back=

79. B8: get the (.) Japanese prisoner back to give his base

B9:

G11:

G12:

T: that's right

80. B8: information =that was wh.

B9:

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G12:

T: (1.5) how do you feel about that=

81. B8: (.) that (.) until he realised that (.) eh the Japanese

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82. B8: were f. full force he was all for taking the Japanese

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83. B8: prisoner back even though it risked his own men=

B9:

G11: =uhuh but

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84. B8:

B9:

G11: in the end he changes his mind and says that he'll have

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85. B8:

B9:

G11: to kill (.) the soldiers (.) when he has to make out a

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86. B8:

B9:

G11: report (.) if he got back (.) he'd have to put that down

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87. B8:

B9:

G11: in his report (.) and the army'd come down heavily on him

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T:

88. B8:

B9:

G11: for that (2) so in the end (.) he's just more concerned

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T:

89. B8:

B9:

G11: about getting back cos he realises (.) the chances of him

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90. B8:

B9:

G11: getting back (.) aren't very great with the soldier (.)

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91. B8:

B9:

G11: at first he maybe doesn't (.) think n that until he

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92. B8:

B9:

G11: realises (.) well where he's come from there's probably

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93. B8:

B9:

G11: more to follow (.) so the chances if they took a soldier

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94. B8:

B9:

G11: along would be very narrow

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